Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Last thread for today: Voodoo with cables

  1. #1
    Senior Hostboard Member AltecLansingFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    March 28th, 2008
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    113
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Last thread for today: Voodoo with cables

    Nice weekend job for people who are skeptical about what cables can do.

    Take an old interconnect,
    Put off the shielding,
    Connect them untwisted,
    Listen careful to your system,
    After that connect them a little tight twisted,
    Listen again to your system,
    If you can hear the difference between twisted and untwisted your ears are OK,
    If you don't hear any difference at all, call a doctor!



    Have a fine weekend!

  2. #2
    Senior Hostboard Member mah's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 28th, 2008
    Posts
    2,003
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    1 Post(s)

    Re: Last thread for today: Voodoo with cables

    DIFFERENCE OR IMPROVEMENT?

    Yawn!

    You are welcome to your views. That's All Folks. Happy, now?
    Opinion is only as valid as its verifiable supporting evidence.

  3. #3
    Senior Hostboard Member joyspring's Avatar
    Join Date
    December 7th, 2002
    Posts
    275
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    2 Post(s)

    Re: Last thread for today: Voodoo with cables

    Quote Originally Posted by AltecLansingFan View Post
    Nice weekend job for people who are skeptical about what cables can do.

    Take an old interconnect,
    Put off the shielding,
    Connect them untwisted,
    Listen careful to your system,
    After that connect them a little tight twisted,
    Listen again to your system,
    If you can hear the difference between twisted and untwisted your ears are OK,
    If you don't hear any difference at all, call a doctor!



    Have a fine weekend!
    Shielding can make a difference in the amount of induced noise, especially in high RF and EMI environments. No one will contest that.

    Barring taking on coursework in physics, maths, DC and finally AC circuit analysis, have a look online at the following: resistance, inductive and capacitive reactance. Also consider RLC using your system components' input and output impedances within the eleven octave frequency range of human hearing.

    You'll note that specialist `boutique' line-level and speaker cable geometry, material and construction have no absolutely no relevance at audio frequency. At megahertz and gigahertz certainly but at or below 20 khz, definitely not.

    BobR

  4. #4
    Senior Hostboard Member AltecLansingFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    March 28th, 2008
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    113
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Last thread for today: Voodoo with cables

    Quote Originally Posted by mah View Post
    DIFFERENCE OR IMPROVEMENT?

    Yawn!

    You are welcome to your views. That's All Folks. Happy, now?

    DIFFERENCE OR IMPROVEMENT that is not the discussion.
    The discussion is what cables, or different cable types, can do with the sound.

    Some like twisted and some like untwisted more, some like silver, some like copper others like cryo treated copper or silver more, and if it is an improvement,
    that's a matter of tast and how your system sounds at the moment.

    If your system sounds a little to bright, you can twist the cables, if your system sounds a little dull, maybe a silver cable or an untwisted copper cable will help to open up the sound or it will bring some more detail, but if it is an improvement that's up to your own taste.

  5. #5
    Senior Hostboard Member westend9's Avatar
    Join Date
    August 3rd, 2007
    Posts
    296
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Last thread for today: Voodoo with cables

    Quote Originally Posted by AltecLansingFan View Post
    If you can hear the difference between twisted and
    If you don't hear any difference at all.....
    Quote Originally Posted by mah View Post
    DIFFERENCE OR IMPROVEMENT
    Quote Originally Posted by AltecLansingFan View Post
    DIFFERENCE OR IMPROVEMENT that is not the discussion.
    The discussion is what cables, or different cable types....
    Het sop is de kool niet waard

    My experience is that certain cable types can be better in particular systems. Is this because of something that is inherently peculiar with the system or is it because the cable is better? I think it is the first.

  6. #6
    Senior Hostboard Member GM's Avatar
    Join Date
    December 26th, 2002
    Location
    Chamblee, Ga.
    Posts
    4,967
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    48 Post(s)

    Re: Last thread for today: Voodoo with cables

    Quote Originally Posted by AltecLansingFan View Post
    Some like twisted.........
    True and if some folks want to spend their literally priceless quality time (it can't be replaced) and/or disposable income to tweak interconnects and/or swap out different electrical properties wiring systems to fine tune a system, that's fine by us as repeated stated by others here and in myriad similar threads around the net for as long as I've been on-line; but it has also been presented by those others in a variety of ways that all this boils down to is how the wiring system's RLC electrical properties affects it, so the cheapest, easiest way for folks to fine tune a system is to use wire with vanishingly low RLC (which mostly boils down to a vanishingly low resistance for the wire run length to keep voltage drop at desired peak music power to a minimum) between the amp and speaker and between the XO and drivers, then add whatever inductor(s), capacitor(s), resistor(s) filters it takes to achieve the desired results.

    This is what the pioneers of audio concluded, which at their core were some of the most brilliant electrical engineers on the planet at the time and since we're talking about an intrinsically analog reproduction system, then unless there's now sufficiently high resolution digital processing that's perceived by all humans as analog to render the subtle tonal differences of analog components moot there's nothing of note in this particular technical field that's changed in the ensuing decades AFAIK.

    Indeed, I've seen ridiculously expensive boutique wiring systems that when stripped of its fancy sheath revealed inexpensive extension cord quality wiring with tiny analog RLC filters to get the desired electrical properties to create a sense of tube 'color'/euphonic distortion when attached to a typical SS amp, so apparently they agreed. Or was it just 'greed' and the gullibility of mankind in general that made them 'agree'?


    Regardless, 'color' me done on this 'dead horse' subject.

    GM
    Loud is Beautiful if it's Clean! As always though, the usual disclaimers apply to this post's contents.

  7. #7
    Senior Hostboard Member AltecLansingFan's Avatar
    Join Date
    March 28th, 2008
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    113
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quoted
    0 Post(s)

    Re: Last thread for today: Voodoo with cables

    Quote Originally Posted by westend9 View Post
    Het sop is de kool niet waard

    My experience is that certain cable types can be better in particular systems. Is this because of something that is inherently peculiar with the system or is it because the cable is better? I think it is the first.

    = Apekool

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
This forum has been viewed: 23808158 times.